| http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#value | - Oh yeah, if there is no God, the origin of government and thus any concept of rights is force and violence.If there is a God, on the other hand, he abandoned us all long before there was a government, thus the origin of govt. and it is engine is still force and violence.Either way, forget about lofty platitudes. . . it is kill or be killed IMO
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