. . "The suttas which Dmytro and I cited clearly state that Dhamma-Vicaya and Dhammavicayasambojjhanga must have vicara, and be preceded by vitakka in Sati.It seems this elephant is an illusion.There is no 'must have' in the descriptions of 'dhamma-vicaya' I quote:viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5582For example, pariv??ma???sa without the vicara would still be dhamma-vicaya.Best wishes, Dmytro" . .