QUOTE(StrictPuppet @ Dec 11 2008, 04:37 AM) I guess it depends on how you determine if it is a flop or not.The Zune is a solid piece of hardware that exceeds an Ipod in so many ways, if that makes it a flop, then so be it.I agree, the zune, while does have its issues, mainly with the DRM, the zune is an excellent mp3 player.