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  • So so.... and can you give a example what can arise without a cause ? the universe, for example ? <a href="http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/astronomy-cosmology-and-god-f15/the-kalam-cosmological-argument-t132.htmJust">http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/astronomy-cosmology-and-god-f15/the-kalam-cosmological-argument-t132.htmJust</a> as soon as you can give an example of how your god can arise without a cause (I mean other than The Bible tells me so&quot I do this real moron thing, and it is called thinking.
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