| http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#value | - We think the third quarter will show a pick up I mean as Tim just said we have been very carefully canvasing all of our customers and as I mentioned in my remarks a phenomenon we are seeing this year even more than last year is the food customers, all of the customers, food customers in particular are very reluctant to order cans until they are right on top of their seasonal packs.
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